I’m hearing all kinds of things about ethanol in fuel that will destroy a normal rubber fuel line. Should I change the fuel line in my car? I’ve heard that ethanol will even eat the steel fuel line. Is that true? What kind of fuel line should I use?
B.E.
Jeff Smith: Let’s start with what used to be the only fuel line – a simple neoprene rubber that seemed to last forever. Well, those days are gone. With reformulated gasoline almost the rule across the country with dozens of different blends depending upon smog levels and geographic locations, gasoline has undergone a tremendous change in recent years. Essentially now almost all gasolines are blended with 10 percent ethanol as a way to improve the octane rating. Ethanol has received a tremendous amount of attention in terms of how this octane booster affects older fuel systems.
The early aftermarket response to this rubber fuel line degradation was to use braided steel AN hose using a chlorinated polyethylene (CPE)-based material that looks like rubber but was – at least for a short time – resistant to degradation by fuel and oil. Unfortunately, changes in fuel blending eventually began to take its toll on this style of fuel line as well.
You may have noticed that late model cars long ago stopped using rubber-like fuel lines. Mainly this was not for pressure-related issues but instead for emission reasons where rubber fuel line allowed fuel to vaporize through the line and into the atmosphere. Late model EFI cars now all use a fluoroelastomer fuel line that looks plastic but is actually a material called polytetrafluoroethylene – PTFE. This material (first trademarked by DuPont as Teflon) is non-reactive to any common use fuels including methanol and even nitromethane! It also creates a fuel vapor barrier which does not allow the fuel to escape through the lines.
This is Tech AFX’s PTFE -6 AN hose and as you can see, it has a decent bend radius, but be careful, you it is relatively easy to kink the hose. All PTFE hose demands brand-specific fittings.
If you park your rubber-fuel-lined hot rod in the garage, it’s possible that your wife has complained about the gasoline smell in the garage and yet you can find no evidence of leaks. The combination of a fuel tank vent and rubber fuel lines are likely the cause of the vapor smell. All new cars for decades have been tested for this type of emissions.
But to get back to your question, the issue is that many people believe that a small amount of ethanol is the cause for all their fuel tank contamination issues, which now because of widely-circulated rumors appears to be all blown out of proportion to the real causes. It is true that ethanol in a high concentrations (like E85) will tend to dry out simple neoprene rubber fuel line from the inside out. This can cause serious fire hazard issues.
We had first-hand experience with a budget stainless-steel braided hose that dramatically failed within four months of installation on our drag race Chevelle test car. This was due to reformulated fuel (with 10 percent ethanol) attacking the rubber line, dying it out, and causing a massive leak when we turned the fuel pump was turned on. Luckily, we caught the leak and replaced all the fuel line before it caused a major fire.
As a result of these failures, this has caused several companies to offer PTFE style performance hose and the special fittings required to use this hose. Companies that now offer this style of hose include Aeroquip, Earl’s, Goodridge, Summit Racing, TechAFX, XRP and a few others. The hose uses a PTFE lining with a stainless steel braid or black plastic outer covering. The specific fittings use a ferrule or sleeve between the hose and the outer covering as the seal.
This PTFE hose is much more expensive than neoprene or CPE-enhanced rubber hose although the specific PTFE-required fittings are often similarly-priced to normal AN versions. One disadvantage to the PTFE hose is that it demands a larger bend radius and will easily kink if bent too severely. There are versions of the PTFE hose that are convoluted to allow tight radii but this tubing is even more expensive.
The advantage of the PTFE hose is that while expensive, short of physical damage it should last the life of the vehicle. So if you have a car that you plan to keep forever, converting to a PTFE fuel hose would be a wise investment. Regardless of what further changes occur to gasoline in the future, it’s safe to assume that a PTFE style fuel line will handle it without a problem.
Jeff, I have a completely restored 1980 Toyota dolphin RV with a race company rebuilt 20r engine. Since the rebuild, I have had one problem after another with carburation and emission control parts! Hey its California and of course the burecrats know everything there is to know about cars and how they should be smogged forever. THBB! Problem is that most of the emission parts needed are no longer available. I need ANY advice you can give on what I can do with this mess. I do not want to get rid of my ride and I am not fond of the idea of switching out all parts to a later model (legal yes but self defeating as the newer parts will also become unavailable not to mention expensive with no appreciable performance increase and certainly no increase in its value (the Dolphin is the only RV that is increasing in value instead of dying!). I think I might be able to replace the smog nightmare carb with a good similar Stromberg-leave the useless smog eguipment in place (just secretly unhooked). I know it is possible because the unavailable EGR valve is completely inop -making the vehicle a gross polluter. But my local smog tech passes it every two years anyway. I do not ask how he does this nor am I going to ask. Help! By the way I managed to make completely illegal bypass/resonator to replace the cat converter and put ii back on for the biannual smog inspection. Doing this increases horsepower about 20% and about3-4 mjpg. who’d have thunk it???!!!
Thanks in advance for any advice/help you can give;
Jim Winters
We posed your question to the Summit Racing guys and, because this falls under CA emissions laws, they cannot provide any advice on this topic or offer ways to get around emissions laws. Summit Racing, and by extension, OnAllCylinders, has and will continue to follow all emissions laws in all states.
Great overview! I’ve got a follow-up question relating to fuel treatment additives, specifically fuel stabilizers and the like, that claim to prevent ethanol damage to your fuel system. If used properly, do these treatments fully neutralize the harmful effects of ethanol on rubber lines and such? I’ve been using one of the more common brands for the last year now, adding at every fill-up and swear I notice less odor. I also have not seen any degradation in my braided steel rubber AN lines, or signs of corrosion in my carburetor. I am still considering switching everything over to PTFE, but was curious if this is something I should push to the front burner.
AI,
I’m learning that much of the information that has been supplied about why fuel lines have deteriorated in the last 10 years or so has been aimed at placing the blame on ethanol as the source of these problems. But new data out there from the ethanol companies counters much of this. It appears, if this data from the ethanol companies is true, that changes in the amount of aromatics in fuel may be the real culprit. If you go to Fuelingthetruth.com, there are several videos that will portray the aromatics in fuel as the real bad guys. I’m not an chemist but it is true that elements like benzene, toluene, MTBE, and other aromatics are extremely dangerous chemicals that are added in significant volume to gasoline when ethanol is not used to increase octane. So E0 fuels appear to be much more dangerous and could be causing the problems that we are all experiencing. So it appears that ethanol is not really the bad buy after all.. To answer your question regarding this fuel treatments, I have not tested them but it does appear that these may be of some help when fuel is stored for a long period of time. It would be interesting to learn what these additive companies aim at for stabilizing the fuel – is it ethanol – or is it the aromatics?
Can this PTFE SS hose be used on motorcycles with conventional or fe clamps? Tx Bri
Look up The Devil we Know on Netflix. PTFE those chemicals are carcinogens that have gotten literally into every living persons blood. I don’t know enough to argue about it but DuPont lost a class action lawsuit over dumping it into the ecosystem. Take a look at the documentary.
I imagine it’s going to be a great product that’s why the company is worth what it is.
I am trying to Gasoline Filler Neck hose for my 1970 VW Bug. All the hoses fail in a couple months because I live in Las Vegas. Yes, great place for a air-cooled engine. I have tried popular brands from Wolfsburg West, JBugs, and West Coast Metric all start smelling. The size is 1 7/8 ID, need it to be 6″ at least. I also have heard Nitrile hoses are also good? I keep searching and many website don’t mention what the hoses are made of. Help!! Summer is quickly approaching again.
been consistently using STA BIL in all my lawn tractors , with very good results , meaning zero fuel hose break down , in sitting fuel . also use 2 fuel filters , 1 close to tank , another close to carb , with fuel check valve , to hold fuel up to carb , instant starts . lots of time on this set up , so I know it works , make a problem go away . peter