I want to build a 350 Chevy with iron heads and a 10.0:1 compression ratio. Will that work on 91 octane pump premium fuel?
H.C.
Seemingly simple questions like this one often result in more complicated answers. The short answer to your question is that you should be able to run a small block with a 4.030-inch bore at that compression ratio on today’s rather poor pump premium gasoline. We’ll further qualify our answer with the assumption that we’re talking about 91 octane premium gasoline.
We’ll assume you are running a 4.030-inch bore. Static compression ratio is affected by multiple variables including crankshaft stroke, piston-to-head clearance, head gasket thickness, and piston valve reliefs (if present) or the presence of a dish or dome in the piston. Here’s an example of a 350 with a 10.1:1 compression ratio:
- 4.030-inch bore and 3.48-inch stroke
- Heads with a 64cc combustion chamber
- Flat top pistons with 6cc of valve relief that sits 0.005-inch below the deck
- 0.041-inch thick head gasket
Most production small blocks were built with the piston placed closer to 0.020-inch below the deck. This will increase the quench area, which reduces static compression and also affects how well the quench performs. The above example keeps the piston-to-head clearance fairly tight at 0.046-inch. With a 0.020-inch piston deck, that moves piston-to-head clearance to over 0.060-inch, which is not good for several reasons.
If you decide to swap heads, a good OEM choice is the late 1990s Vortec truck head. This iron head uses a nice, compact 64cc combustion chamber that benefits from the very popular heart-shaped chamber. Chamber shape and volume have a big effect on combustion efficiency. While a larger chamber will reduce static compression, a poor chamber shape will require more ignition timing to properly burn the air/fuel mixture. This additional timing then contributes to detonation problems.
There are several aftermarket iron heads that feature combustions close to 64cc that would also work well.
Dart offers an Iron Eagle cylinder head with 2.02/1.60-inch valves with a 67cc chamber. This would only drop our example 350’s compression by 0.3 of a point to 9.81:1. This could be pumped back up to 9.87:1 with a 0.038-inch gasket.
World Products makes a 64cc head called the Sportsman II with a 200cc intake port and 2.02/1.60-inch valves. This is an older design, but still a decent head that would perfect for our 350.
Running 10:1 compression the street is also dependent on camshaft timing. If the cam has a somewhat conservative 200 to 210 degrees of duration at 0.050-inch tappet lift, this might cause problems. Combining a short duration cam with very little overlap with 10:1 static compression ratio will likely cause detonation problems depending upon the amount of initial timing and how quickly the ignition curve is tuned. You’ll will probably cause tuning problems as you try to prevent the engine from detonating on 91 octane fuel.
A smarter solution would be to select a camshaft with at least 218 to 228 degrees of intake duration with a lobe separation angle of 110 degrees. Assuming this would be a dual pattern cam with slightly longer exhaust duration, the additional valve overlap tends to bleed off cylinder pressure at lower engine speeds and reduces low to midrange cylinder pressure. This reduced cylinder pressure is accompanied by built-in exhaust gas recirculation (EGR) to help reduce the chance for detonation.
One point we hear frequently is that an iron head will trap more heat in the chamber than an aluminum head. It is true that iron does not transfer heat as quickly as aluminum. But in our experience iron head engines don’t experience detonation any more readily than aluminum heads. Perhaps this might be true with a heavily loaded race engine under extreme conditions, but in a street engine the closest you might come to that would be using the engine to tow heavy loads. For all the above reasons, we would never recommend a 10:1 static compression ratio with iron heads and a short duration cam for towing.
Another area worthy of consideration is how inlet air temperature affects how quickly an engine might experience detonation given a fixed octane fuel. For every 25 degrees F increase in inlet air temperature, the engine will need one full number of additional octane. As an example, if your engine was right on the edge of detonation using 91 octane fuel with an inlet air temperature of 80 degrees, it would likely experience detonation when the inlet air temperature increases to 95 to 100 degrees or higher. If the inlet air temperature is lowered by 25 degrees F, the engine’s octane requirement will decrease by one full number.
This is important since running a cold air system can reduce the chance the engine will rattle. Of course, ignition timing, spark plug selection, air-fuel ratios, and a host of other details all play a part in these situations. This is why we always mention that it’s best to treat the engine as a system rather than a compilation of a pile of separate parts.
So to wrap this up, a 10:1 static compression ratio combined with an efficient, heat-shaped combustion chamber head, a dual-pattern camshaft with at least 218 to 220 degrees of intake duration, and a properly-designed ignition curve should reward you with a very snappy small-block that will make great power and not cause detonation issues. Hope this helps!
What about adding alky injection? Would that help in any of those areas on a street motor?
Hello. I’m jeff Lewis from NC. I’m a big chevy fan, all ways will be. I’ve built and ran several motors raced paved short track and drag raced ,Mudd bogged. In 88 ,1988 lol i had my father’s 76 chevy luv that I built the Isuzu 1.8 the crashed circle track car and practically first person within 100s miles from me to small block a luv. But anyways right now I’m playing with a 91 S10 151 2.5 4 cylinder. Yes I know I could jave built an put 3 at least 2 smc motors in it for what inhave in building a 150hp 151. Not cheap lol. I’m running 10.25.1 compression with a full roller set up cam lifters,an rockers custom built roller cam. 214 at 50 and 500 lift 110 lobe centers. I run. / it runs best off 93 octane wow 4.50 a gallon here. It will run off 83-87 but have to re set timing etc. It loves 110 race gas hahaha. But I thought about E85 not worth it I don’t think, not from what I’ve read so far on the internet. What u all think ??? Oh it has ran 10.49 at 65mph in 1/8 mile. All natural no additives / boosters. Automatic 4.11 rear
Is 10 to 1 compression rate good with a 461 stroker, aluminum heads, big Lunati cam and mostly modeled after butler performance engines ? Thank you.
Jeff…good points and I agree. With more duration and overlap, I’ve run 10.8 (+-)on 91 octane with a can of octane booster. (Windsor style Ford head) The fresh air suggestion is a good one. A decent-sized radiator will also help, and some consideration of getting hot air out from under the hood, too. Running a little rich is another trick that helps at low speeds, and gives more power at high speeds without melting a piston. Plus, unless you hallucinate your engine will last 200,000 miles…open up those ring gaps just a little, even if it blows a little smoke occasionally. An X-pipe which scavenges the exhaust well, along with bigger diameter primary tubes on the headers. As you say…a “system”, not a pile of parts.
Nice article very good information. The advancement in cylinder head and camshaft technology that can be applied to today’s street engine’s is simply amazing. I learn something every time I read your articles.
Thanks for improving my rudimentary understanding on this subject. I have built several mopar 340 cube small blocks to OE specs. and have developed a desire to understand the reasons for satisfactory and durable performance. I’m currently driving a 1968 Barracuda convertible basket case that I bought for a grand in 1995. It was a lifelong resident of Wisconsin, an original 318 ci, 7 1/4 in. rear, console automatic car. Now, 340 ci, 3:55 sure grip, TCI trans, stall converter 4 wheel disc, mustang II rack & pinion, ride with adequate performance for my 81 year old bones. Never did any car stuff prior to this but needed an energy outlet after retiring & this is it. Only complaint, cement getting harder!
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I am running a basically stock 1990 350, bored .030 over, with flat top pistons (with the valve reliefs) an L98 hydraulic roller camshaft with 58cc iron heads. Currently i have base timing set at 8 degrees btdc. R45ts plugs, and if it matters the head gaskets are basically stock replacement fel pros. I have been told the compression ratio is around 10.6:1. Any suggestions on octane and or timing? It seems to run fine on either 89 or 93 octane but i run turbo 108 octane boost just in case.(supposed to add 7 points of octane boost)
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I’m building my first ls1 engine.
So alloy block and heads.
Want to run 11.78 to 1 static compression ratio.
Using stock stroke ls1 crank 6.3 inch Callies comp star H beam rods DSS forged 3.903 6cc dome top pistons to suit pin height.
.035 gasket 65cc chamber 215cc trick flow gen x heads with a comp cams 54 458 11 cam 227/235 on a 113lsa +4
Or step up one size to the 54 459 11 comp cam with 231/239 113+4 lsa.
Want to run it on pump98 or E10 in Australia.
Dynamic compression ratio I have worked out to be around 9.1to 1 or 194psi.